Title: Bitching, Whinning, Oh My!
The Beginning - August 17, 2008 11:06 PM (GMT)
Hey, this is my second time asking for advice guys. I'm usually a kind person when I evaluate applications. Firstly because my grammar isn't that good. The only reason I mention something is when the application is full of mistakes that a kid could easily spot. Anyway, I have a friend of mine who applied in a board. I made a mistake and helped him to grammar proof his application. It was approved. After that the guy went nutty and attempted to create Mary Sue character (a half demon mutant who was a secret agent and his power was to get energy from sex, don't ask :sweat: ) . Of course, I told him that it wouldn't work.
Later, he created a character that it was more conservative. However, his application didn't full the length requirements (lenght and grammar wise). The issue is that I have him in my aim and he keeps bitching and whinning the whole day about the fact he doesn't know anything about grammar. At the beginning, I offered to help him, but later he said that 'he was tired of being helped like he was a little child'. To be honest, I don't know what to do. It's freaking me out to have someone complaining about his not knowing grammar but refusing to have help.
Any suggestion before I strangle him? :lol:
Maruna - August 17, 2008 11:22 PM (GMT)
Well, he's trying, it would seem, but still, he's putting you in a completely unfair situation. It's not childish at all to get help (Heck, YOU're getting help!) with something you're having trouble with. Let him know you're willing to help, or he needs to go and hit the books, but complaining isn't helping him finish his profile any sooner.
The Beginning - August 17, 2008 11:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Maruna @ Aug 17 2008, 11:22 PM) |
| Well, he's trying, it would seem, but still, he's putting you in a completely unfair situation. It's not childish at all to get help (Heck, YOU're getting help!) with something you're having trouble with. Let him know you're willing to help, or he needs to go and hit the books, but complaining isn't helping him finish his profile any sooner. |
I think I'm getting frustrated because his errors are pretty basic.
Example:
He have a beautiful car.
He likes the color red and yellow.
When I tell him about that, he tells me that several people have tried to help him before. Basically, I feel like a psycoanalist instead of an administrator. His RP is understandable, but I simply detest the fact he believes that complaining and pushing me will be the way his profile get approved sooner.
I'm looking for the exact words about how to tell him exactly that and finish the problems. Advice is really apprecciated guys.
December, Esq - August 17, 2008 11:46 PM (GMT)
I give people slack if English isn't their first language because I know that they're trying. And it's pretty darn hard to RP in a language that's not your first, especially if you haven't been given adequate training.
However, if the person isn't ESL, then it's hard for me to feel a whole lot of sympathy. Try pointing him in the direction of a tutorial. That said, I don't think grammar alone is enough to kick someone off of a board.
Maruna - August 17, 2008 11:53 PM (GMT)
December took the words right out of my mouth.
Well, what I'd say is, "Alright, I know you're having trouble, but you refuse to let me help you. So please, don't complain about it to me, there's nothing I can do; Except HELP. And I'm willing to, but if you won't let me, you need to figure it out for yourself."
And possibly direct him to a tutorial, or guide, or something like that.
The Beginning - August 18, 2008 12:07 AM (GMT)
I think you are right, guys. I'm ESL (My native langauge is Spanish) I think his native language is Spanish too because of the way he types and uses certain grammar structures.
The main issue is that I'm not the only one who approves applications. At least I asked 1-2 members of the staff in order to check that I didn't forget something. Plus, I think it's much wiser to have the staff opinion in this kind of matters.
Thanks for your advice.
:pink:
Greymalkin - August 18, 2008 12:07 AM (GMT)
Is this guy from an English-speaking country or at least a country where English is taught routinely in primary and/or secondary school? If he isn't, tell him he can either accept your help and thank you politely or lump it on his own.
If he is, my answer to him would be either 'get tutoring' (if he's under 18) or 'go to adult school' if not. Learning to write/speak proper English will help him both on the internet and in RL -- and that holds true even if he doesn't live in an English-speaking country. It certainly won't do him any harm.
justsambam08 - August 19, 2008 06:54 PM (GMT)
Okay, maybe this is because I am both a writer and a grammar nazi, and just a plain hard-ass admin, and I also am censor-free when it comes to my friends, but I would just sit him down (or IM him) and tell him what the deal is, the deal being that his grammar sucks. If he doesn't like people complaining, he needs to teach himself or have someone else teach him, and then the complaining will stop. Just read a book, really. If he can't handle learning the basics of writing sentances, then tell him that its probably best he not RP.