I have a question for all your fantastic RPG-D members. What are the main traits of a Harry Potter world Mary-Sue? Ok, I know there are those great MS definition sites out there and I have read them and I know the main flaws, but people tend to think my opinion is a little extreme. Not that I have any real ideas on who passes as a Mary Sue or not... But a member is making a Female Werewolf on a site I am on.

By no means am I saying every female werewolf is Mary Sue but has anyone ever met a Female Werewolf who does not spend every post moping about the injustice of being a werewolf? Who does not take every chance to tell people of the horror she goes through and makes sure that every new person she meets knows exactly what she was?? I personally think that is Mary Sue behaviour, she is instantly saving a spot on the pity train, making sure that the other character is automatically her friend.

I would love it if this girl suprised me and turned out to be a great rper in that area but considering her current character spends most of the time flirting with any male silly enough to agree to a thread. I don't know if I stand much hope.

So the real question is this. Have you ever met a non-Mary Sue Werewolf? More particuarly aimed at the female characters... Also, do we even know if there are female werewolfs in HP? The only ones mentioned were all men, not saying that doesn't mean there are female ones but I guess it is widly associated with men anyway. But, ah! I'll stop rambling.

Comments, horror stories and any posistive comments welcomed. I have a horror story which I'll write later on.

I once played a Female Werewolf. I tried to make her as non-Mary Sue as I could, but did I fail? -shrug- I guess I'll never know unless someone is nice & honest.

I once had to deal with a Fleur Delacour who was Mary Sue. Now, when Fleur comes to mind, you know she is a bit Mary Sue. The person who played her, however, took her to the extreme. Gosh, I don't even want to go into it, because she was SO Mary Sue *growls*. It was torture, to say the least. We had a ball, and she didn't get a Fleur a date, since she said, "Fleur is going single at the ball." (BTW, we rped this before we found out she was marrying Bill). All of the members & I were like -gasp-! Fleur without a date? She said Fleur is an independant woman, and could go by herself. Other things she did with Fleur told us that she really had no clue how to play her. :/

I've rped on a fairy tale RPG, and almost all the girl characters were Mary Sue. The guys were Gary Stue's, too. I was like, whatev, I'm outta here.

That's it :) I usually tell Mary Sue characters to add more depth to them, and then they will be accepted.

Well, there are obviously female werewolfs, all they have to do is get bitten.

Naomi Ellsworth is a lovely lady werewolf of my acquaintance. Representative of the boys, Lorenzo Seraph revels in his wolfly powers.

I once wrote an entire blog post about the traits of Hogwarts Sues. It's probably best to ignore the parts that aren't description.

It might not be MS, just bad RP. It's like the anti-MS being a social pariah despite being a great person, but misunderstood. The MS is not the only faulty character type .

To answer your very first question, HP has many MS-esque characters, who are mostly powerful wizards, adept duelers, muggleworld knowledgeable, close to at least one canon (if in an AU or something similar, you will find them related to someone powerful or famous) and generally MSish. Honestly, like any other MS with the added perks of being the best wizard in the world.

These guys will almost always find themselves in a duel at some point and will never back down. they might take hits, but you're not gonna beat them.

-cough-

I don't think it's the female werewolf-ness that makes the character a Sue. Presuming she'll be treated decently - or given positive attention - after she goes on about it for a bit does.

Because no one sane will be all, "Oh! Werewolf! Let's be friends!"

Clipsed-Effin hilarious! I almost fell out of my chair laughing!

Now...I will admit, my first HP charrie was a bit of a Sue. Harry's sister who ends up raised by Snape. (This was a Myspace thing, and it was, obviously, AU) Yeah...>.>...

But, I improved with time. :) And she, while retaining her heritage and what not, became a well played character.

Now, female werewolf doesn't necessarily equal Sue...But like it's been said, the way they're played does....>.<

*giggles at the comic*

Personally, i have found most HP sites to be full of Sues. Well, maybe not sues per-se, but HP-sues for sure. Every girl is flawless, good at magic (probably top of her class no less :o ), and all the bad boys want her. Gee.

As the the werewolf thing? I guess there could be female ones, though they aren't mentioned in the book ^^ Though, i think it's silly that everyone instantly would love her? I thought it would be opposite, but then again you can see why she plays the whole "Noobody lurrrves me" thing with her character... eh? ^__^;;

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No, i havn't met a none HP-sue werewolf. They are usually played by the character who is very pretty, smart, and of course just hating that she is a werewolf, so all the hot magical guys should come comfort her.

Sometimes, though, i have no problems with sues, so long as they RP good? Sounds weird, i know, but even if the girl is a stereotypical whoever, as long as is writes good, and plays the character well, i don't mind ^^

Then again, maybe it's just the sites i've been on. :sweat: I'm sure if we band together and create the league of none-sueish werewolfs we can even the odds on at least one HP site ;D

Unless they are a werewolf. Then it's not so unlikely that they would be friends.

But it is true... Remus Lupin is a werewolf and he isn't a Gary Stu.

But, yeah, werewolves seem to only have positive attention if they are secretly werewolves like Lupin... otherwise they are completely ignored or hated (except by a few choice persons). I've had a werewolf that pretty much everyone hated except for some members of his famly and one or two people that he was really good friends with. Everyone else pretty much hated him either by default or because he did something really evil to them (like prank them... or bite them on the full moon, in the case of one).

A friend and I played a pair of werewolves on a site once: I, the male, and she, the female. The setup was they were part of a werewolf 'clan,' so it wasn't an affliction so much as a culture. The female really liked that she was a werewolf, but, obviously, there were complications... for one thing, she didn't find anyone but her cousin attractive, due to strange... childhood... running-about-as-wolves-together... things...

Anyway, you sort of had to be there. She wasn't really a Sue, though. Not really angsty. It was just another part of who she was.

As for my character--well, he might've been Sue-ish; but he was also the first iteration of Sam's Characters With Missing Appendages!©. He didn't take Wolfsbane one full moon, and, since he was locked in a room alone, he mangled one of his hands. Since he was a very physical person (partly due to his wolfishness, partly just because some people are), it drove him absolutely bonkers and was really interesting.

... I just wanted an excuse to talk about myself. I actually think this whole discussion, hilarious comics about Sues aside, is completely pointless. Sueness is played, not tied to a single trait. Sheesh. End of story.

I played a female werewolf named Cordelia; she was really hung up on the injustice of being a werewolf as you said, but she didn't have many redeeming qualities, which I enjoyed playing out. :p Her parents were Purebloods and she was attacked when she was young; the stress of her becoming a werewolf tore their marriage apart and as a result her mother didn't do much to help her cope. As a result, she was raised acting more like a wolf than a human and retained much of those qualities even as a graduated Slytherin, as I played her: She preferred being a "lone wolf," though she had two friends (just two, lol); she was very protective of herself and wary of others (especially those more powerful than her), relied on instinct rather than rationality or other direction, etc. She didn't trust people, she was deceptive, cunning, ruthless. Not the type that attacked people for no reason, but she wasn't a nice girl either lol. Also, she was really sexually driven. She was really more animal than human.

I don't think she was a Mary-Sue. I think Mary-Sue werewolves are the type that were changed very young but don't really experience any of the backlash of being a werewolf. Cordelia definitely did. Most characters on the site didn't like her because her werewolf-ness was such a huge component of her personality: It was like trying to make friends with a mean dog - not really possible. Other female werewolves are usually like, "O woe is me, I am a werewolf, ahhhhh!" And that's for the sake of angst/drama, not character development. Other than that tidbit in their profiles, they tend to be played like any other character. :sweat:

Mmmmmm piratemonkey

I just can't believe so few people on this site haven't seen that cartoon. I command you to look at the naked snape one.

I cannot believe how entertaining and scary that stuff is! How very unfortunate it is that I've actually seen a few characters like that!

This, oddly enough, reminds me of drug problems in a character! I'm going to try not to rant on how 98% of drug addicted characters are played wrongly, but it tends to go hand in hand with this whole werewolf thing.

Like getting loads of attention or bragging about it. You really think that if you were a werewolf or had a drug problem you'd be sitting there, haughty and proud, unless you were seriously demented? Probably not. You're probably going to be trying insanely hard to hide every full moon.

Or when the problem is RARELY mentioned. I'm sorry, but if you're a werewolf [or, to throw back in my example, a druggie] it's going to effect your life probably just about daily. Not just when it's convenient for RP, but probably just about every other thread it's going to come up in the character's thoughts or something along those lines.

I'm sure there are werewolves played as if they were Sues, but what it comes down to in my experience is playing character traits/conflict correctly and consistently.

I try and limit mary sueness on a HP site that I run by not allowing non canon werewolves, metamorphagus, vampires and veela. They werent really mentioned in the books much so why bring them into the role plays. Ive never come across a female werewolf so I can't comment. There is one player who has a female oc who is an animagus, but her app was great and to give her her due, she writes with as much realism as one could in a fantasy rp. She doesn't change while she's in school and the Ministry have her registered.

my favourite on a site I used to play at was a female vampire. She looked like a teenager and had been around for 60 years or something. DUmbledore kept accepting her back into seventh year and she lived on creatures from the Forbidden forest and ended up going steady with Sirius Black. She was described as "flawless" and "perfect" in the app. THat would actually have been okay if she had rped well, but her posts were all "poor me Im a vampire, where are all the boys to save me?" . it was a bit much to be honest.


I just felt that if you are around for over 60 years, you're not a teenager, stop acting like one........she was almost as old as Dumbly for goodness sake.


My point is: Mary Sues are written, not made as many people here have pointed out. Some mary sueish apps can be acceptable of course!

MischeifKayla: Give the player a chance to show what they are made of. You gave that girl a chance and she proved sueish but at least you tried! As others have said, its hard to make a character in HP thats not marysueish sometimes. But if you're a good writer, it can be done.