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Title: O_o Wha!?!?!


tish - August 8, 2008 03:15 AM (GMT)
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You know what I hate? When admins think they can bend their own rules. I make it a rule for myself that if I say something on my site, it goes for me and all of my co-admins/mods as well. It's only fair. But worse than breaking their own rules is breaking a general rule of role playing. You know, no power playing or god modding? Yeah that one.

Yes, you heard me. An admin actually broke that rule. I joined this site a few days ago and started a topic with the admin. (I play Edward Cullen and she' Bella, so it's obvious that we'd thread together). I got home from a long day of work and was excited to see a reply. I start reading it, and realize she's actually speaking for my character! Not only speaking but the entire last paragraph she wrote is my character doing things I never had him do. What's the point of role playing with someone if your going to control them? Isn't that the entire point of role playing? I mean if your going to role play with yourself you may as well just go write and not open a site. >_<

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Sorry if any of that doesn't make sense. As you can tell I'm a bit livid over this. >_<

Alandree - August 8, 2008 03:26 AM (GMT)
Totally can relate. This one guy would post actions for one of my characters, and the only excuse he had was that they were brother and sister. I told him what was what, and he stopped doing it, but truthfully, it didn't seem like he actually realized he was. o.O

Some people are just unconsciously controlling? But then again, he wasn't an admin, like your case. That's really frustrating, and not cool.

You should tell her though, if you haven't already. Honesty is good. If she's bitchy about it, then there's not a whole lot you can do, unfortunately. Except leave the site, or somehow stop roleplaying with her characters? I wouldn't flame her though (though that's a given really), just be as polite as possible, and she may see the error of her ways.

If that helped at all. >.<

tish - August 8, 2008 03:35 AM (GMT)
Yeah instead of replying I just left a reply basically going, ummm you kinda power played / god modded there... Hopefully she'll rewrite the reply and cut it out. It's just so frusterating. Since I can't even go to an admin, she is the admin. =/

Sniks - August 8, 2008 04:12 AM (GMT)
Are there other admins on the site? If so, perhaps talking to one of them about it might be better. Since said other admins are probably her friends and she might take it better coming from them? If not, then yeah you really should talk to her about it. Just try to be as polite as possible.


Oh, and I know it's completely off topic, I just had to say: I adore yoursiggy. Did you make it?

tish - August 8, 2008 06:08 AM (GMT)
Yeah, but they have the same ip address (found out in the chat box) and they are never on together. So either they live together or they are the same person. She posted back. Her answer was along the lines of, "Yeah, I know but I couldn't think of anything else to do. Got any ideas?"

So that made me even more upset. Grrr. I think I might just find another site to play on.


And thanks. Yeah I made it, its one of my favorites. I made it for a member on one of my older sites. ^_^

Sniks - August 8, 2008 08:01 AM (GMT)
Ahhh
That's one thing I cannot stand
Admins who lie about other accounts/characters.

Everyone on my site knows I play six characters. I don't see why people try and hide stuff like that. It's so frustrating.

Yeah, her response would have bugged me too. Not thinking of anything is no reason to god mode. Urg.. some people.

-snugs- Yeah, finding another site might be your best option.

And once again, amazing job on the siggy.

Kesra - August 8, 2008 02:42 PM (GMT)
Just outta curiosity, does this site have a lengthy post requirement? She may have done it to meet her own requirement which is still rather stupid (Why set a post length requirement you can't reach?)

Panda - August 8, 2008 04:32 PM (GMT)
I disagree that no power playing/Godmoding is a general RPG rule. It isn't. If their rules specifically state do not power play/Godmode with or without permission, then bring them up on it. PM another admin, PM them and point out the rule.

If their site has no such rule, then never assume it just goes without saying. It doesn't. If you don't want your character powerplayed on a game where the rule against it isn't present, then you have to state that in you would rather no one power played your character in your application.

Rhi-Rhi - August 8, 2008 05:31 PM (GMT)
Agreeing with Panda here. I learned that same thing the hard way. xD

Once upon a time, years ago, I joined a fun LJ RPG that was very free-form with great writers and no rules and a fun story from the posts I read. Just how I like my RP. However, I assumed that powerplay/god-moding was a general rule of RPing...and it's not. xD I was stunned when I posted my character, and everyone else that replied wrote not only for their characters, but for mine, too. I asked about that and found out that's just how they did it in that game--it was more of a round-robin game where you could write for other characters if you wanted.

I was willing to give it a try and I stayed on the game for a number of months because man if the plot and characters weren't awesome, but eventually I quietly bowed out because I just couldn't grok that style of play. I realized that after an entire food fight between my character and another was played out in one post by the other character's player. :\ For me, it sort of defeated the whole purpose of even playing my character.

HOWEVER! That style of play worked for them, and they were a fun group. It's just a matter of different styles and preferences and neither is better than the other.

But it did indeed teach me a lesson to never assume. xD Because while it may be a 'general rule' in your RPing circle, universally? It's not.

Madame Everard - August 9, 2008 06:33 AM (GMT)
I can't imagine considering power-playing as anything but a general rule of roleplaying. It's incredibly rude, in my opinion, to have the audacity to write another person's character. I wouldn't do it to someone else because I don't know their character; how could I possibly feel qualified to write for them? On my board, some of my friends and I are still using characters we've played together for years and I still don't feel I know them well enough to write them IC.

Yes, allowances can be made for preference, I suppose; as long as everyone in the group is fine with it who's to day they're wrong? But I still think it's rude.

This is mostly because I had a really bad experience with power-playing back on my first RPG. I was playing a thief who was meeting another thief in the woods for an induction into the thieves' guild (it was a medieval site). Our thread was going marvelously, when all of a sudden the Queen's Champion decided to ride in without PMing me or the other player and decide that she was going to arrest us and haul us off to the dungeons. The other player and I had had plottage planned out that was completely overthrown by the QC's actions...and we were pissed.

Unfortunately we were both pretty new, so we didn't even think to report her.

Rhi-Rhi - August 9, 2008 08:05 AM (GMT)
It's only rude because it's rude in your roleplay circle.

In other circles, it's not only not rude--it's expected.

That's how it was in the game I joined by mistake. xD The people in that games had no qualms about it because it was perfectly normal in their roleplay circle and, thus, not rude at all. They were all familiar with that style and it worked for them and made sense for them and they had fun with it.

They weren't rude.

I just wasn't compatible. :3 I can't stand that style of RPing at all (which is why I don't play on any games that implement it), but I certainly wouldn't call them rude for it.

And that's why it's important not to assume it's a general rule, because it's really, really not. xD It may be on most IF games, but to be honest, IF is only one small corner of the entire RPing community.

Madame Everard - August 9, 2008 01:11 PM (GMT)
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Yes, allowances can be made for preference, I suppose; as long as everyone in the group is fine with it who's to day they're wrong? But I still think it's rude.


I say again. If it's accepted in the circle, by all means, power play as much as you want. But it's my opinion, and yes, the way I play, that it's rude...the reasons for which opinion I explained.

t i l t - August 9, 2008 10:04 PM (GMT)
I think the worst offense an admin can inflict on their board, though, in this category, is when they don't finish THEIR OWN APPLICATIONS.

If I'm writing a four-paragraph minimum for appearance, personality, AND history, you better do it, too!

Greymalkin - August 9, 2008 11:37 PM (GMT)
I played for two or three years on a game where you could pose for other characters and it actually worked pretty well. Certainly helped keep conversations moving and threads didn't stall out when someone got flaky and didn't bother to pose. There was a rule, though, that other players could ask you to rewrite their characters' portions if they felt you'd gotten them wrong. The rule was rarely invoked, but it was there.

Players in that game were very carefully vetted, too. You had to fill out an application and instead of an rp sample, you had to go through a probationary period in which your character underwent IC training and testing with some other newcomers under the supervision of one or two veteran PCs in the game. If the trainer(s) decided a new player wasn't, to be kind, going to work out in that style of play, the character flunked the test. The twinks and powerplayers who made it through writing up the app and getting it approved (and there were a few), always got weeded out at that stage. They did have the option to keep retaking the test until they passed, but that kind of problem player always seems to come with the attitude that they're god's gift, so they would storm off in a huff, mortally offended that our small minds could not properly appreciate their brilliance.

It's not for everyone, but Rhi-Rhi and Panda are right, 'no godmodding' is not a universal rule. (On my own game, the rule is 'no godmodding without the permission of the player(s) involved.') YMMV.




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